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==Sixth World Wiki==
Just wanted to let you guys know that there's already a wiki about Shadowrun licensed under the GFDL ''http// Sixth World Wiki.''  UserQuinsareth 1851, 27 January 2008 (UTC)

I contacted them about joining us, but the admin there feels the general Shadowrun focus of this wiki isn't in line with their world-based focus. However, the content of both wikis is freely licensed, so you are welcome to import the content here if you feel it is useful. You could adapt templatewikipedia to attribute that wiki. UserAngela (User talkAngela) 1122, 20 February 2008 (UTC)

==Quartz skin==
Hi, you may have heard that Wikia is updating its default skin to "Monaco" (wchelpHelpSkins, wchelpHelpMonaco skin features). This wiki is currently on the old Quartz skin (you may see it differently depending on your preferences). So we would like to switch you over. There are 7 color schemes to choose from

{="1" style="border-collapse collapse; padding10px; text-aligncenter;"

Alternatively, you can choose to make a custom scheme, like MemoryalphaPortalMain, wcmilitaryMain_Page, wcrappelz or even (if you ''really'' want to see what can be done) wcuktransportUK_Transport_Wiki. For more examples, see wchelpHelpExamples of customized Monaco skins.

Any admin can set the scheme, just go to your preferences, choose the "skin" tab, and scroll down to the admin options section. For a custom scheme you will need to follow the instructions on wchelpHelpCustomizing_Monaco.

As the wiki is relatively quiet and no skin customization has occurred, I have switched the wiki to Monaco Sapphire for now. wUserKirkburn (wUser_talkKirkburn) 2235, 29 July 2008 (UTC)

Hullo! I've just given your Main Page a bit of an overhaul, similar to the current new Wikia wiki style. Feel free to revert if you don't like it, but it should make it easier to add stuff ) wUserKirkburn (wUser_talkKirkburn) 1439, 21 February 2008 (UTC)

==Migrating Sixth World Wiki==
As the Sixth World Wiki has been mostly dead for about a year, I would like to migrate its content here, and revitalize this wiki. See http// my proposal at dumpshock forums and at http// shadowrun4 forums. Is there anybody active at this wiki? UserPiotrus 1720, August 5, 2011 (UTC)

===Category synch===
Before we start porting articles, it would be good to synch categories between this and the 6WW wiki.

Top level

* we CategoryBrowse

* 6WW http// CategoryCategories
Second level, this wiki is a bit chaotic with 22 categories, I'll be cleaning them up soon. 6WW has only three categories

*http// http// CategoryShadowrun world - named here CategoryShadowrun setting

*http// http// CategoryShadowrun RPG

*http// http// CategoryWiki maintenance - named here CategoryCategoryAdministration of this site, and I'd like to organize our categories like that, although the RPG category would be a subcategory to Shadowrun games. I'll also add CategoryShadowrun community, in which we can have articles on community websites, and such.UserPiotrus 2154, August 5, 2011 (UTC)

Update top level categories synched. UserPiotrus 2205, August 5, 2011 (UTC)
After the merge, it appears they were not synched. We still have CategoryBrowse, but also the CategoryCategories. I'll try to deal with this in the near future. Any help appreciated. UserPiotrus 1617, November 5, 2011 (UTC)

Category merge done. CategoryCategories can be deleted. There is still some cleanup needed within categories, such as renaming, but this is simply stuff that needed to be done in the past. --UserPiotrus 0614, November 14, 2011 (UTC)

The Sixth World Wiki only allowed canon details (or apocryphal in the case of material by SR authors that did not make it to publishing and was not replaced).
We should make sure that articles here either hold to the same standard, or only allow non-canon material in a section labeled as such. —UserMJBurrage(User talkMJBurrage•SpecialContributions/MJBurrage) 0044, August 9, 2011 (UTC) 6WW wanted to have only canon/aprocryphal, but it didn't have enough active editors to police this rule, hence http// this, http// this, and http// this. I asked but never got admin rights there, so I could do little but tag the garbage... Sigh. I do believe that non-canon material should be either disallowed, or clearly tagged as such in an off section. Or it could be allowed in userspace, where people could keep descriptions of their own PCs, adventures, and such. UserPiotrus 0103, August 9, 2011 (UTC) And for the question of non-canon material here we had the non-player character profiles. These are all non-canon, and should stay here. In first-time the collection of self created characters (lots of them with complete stats) was the main purpose of this Wiki here. --UserDorle 1248, August 9, 2011 (UTC) I am fine with user created content in the main space of the wiki, but there should be headers so that readers know what they are reading. I.E. if an editor adds a write-up of a location/character/item from there own game it should have a non-canon header, and should only be in a non-canon sub-category. So for example CategoryNon-player characters should be for canon NPCs, with all non-canon NPCs in CategoryNon-canon NPCs (which would be a sub-category of CategoryNon-player characters) Basically I see three levels of "officialness". – material published by SR license holders FASA/FanPro/Catalyst books, ''Ka-Ge'' magazine, and ''Shadowland'' magazine. – material written by professional authors. Examples include A) things cut from official books like Patrick Goodman's material from ''Running Wild'', ''Shadows of Latin America'', etc. and B) things published in magazines such as ''White Wolf'', ''Pyramid'', ''The Shadowrun Supplemental'', etc. . Main articles should all be canon, with detailed footnotes. Disambiguation should be done anything else. Example New Orleans should be the canon summary, with a separate New Orleans (White Wolf) for the details that originate in the article series from ''White Wolf'' magazine. This way we have a large base of information, and everyone knows what their reading. P.S. links to non-canon articles should usually not appear in the body of a canon article, but be grouped in a section at the end. —UserMJBurrage(User talkMJBurrage•SpecialContributions/MJBurrage) 1600, August 10, 2011 (UTC) Seems reasonable. I don't mind non-canon NPCs and even settings, the more the merrier, as long as all non-canon material is clearly described as such. Btw, to be consistent, I'd either call the categories you mention CategoryNPCs or CategoryNon-canon non-player characters. And yes, I can see a "see also non-canon related material" section with links at the bottom.UserPiotrus 2108, August 10, 2011 (UTC) Now we have the CategoryPotentially_NonCanon with its corresponding template (TemplatePotentially_NonCanon) from 6WW for content we are unsure about. I suggest creation of a new template and category for clearly non-canon material. Per discussion above, we seem to agree we are fine with fan works AS LONG AS THEY ARE CLEARY MARKED AS SUCH, right? UserPiotrus 1618, November 5, 2011 (UTC) ===Admins=== Are there any admins active here? If no, I'll apply for admin rights in order to go with the merger with 6WW, whose admin gave the go-ahead for this move (http//, here). UserPiotrus 0008, August 9, 2011 (UTC) I'm Admin here. --UserDorle 1248, August 9, 2011 (UTC) Good to see you are active then ) There will be some deletion needed when we import 6WW stuff, depending on how much control we have over what we import. At the very least, we will have to delete a bunch of categories after they are renamed. UserPiotrus 2109, August 10, 2011 (UTC) I'll do admin stuff, if we import the old Dumpshock wiki. UserLaird Angus 2207, September 24, 2011 (UTC) Good to know. I heard few days ago from Angela that we have delays but work the move is still happening, so... I guess we just wait. UserPiotrus 0759, September 25, 2011 (UTC) ==Migrating wikis - how to== So, does anybody has actual experience migrating wikis, or do we (I...) need to go and look for a guide or ask somebody at Wikia help for, well, help? Because I am seeing a decent amount of people saying "good idea" and a distinct lack of people doing anything ) --UserPiotrus 2010, August 27, 2011 (UTC) Sorry, I've realy no idea how to do something like "migrating wikis". - The only Way I know is to Copy&Past Articles, that should be imported here. (But then the version history would be lost). --UserDorle 1437, August 28, 2011 (UTC) I think there are automated tools for that. I am aware they exist with regards to Wikipedia (see http// this and http// this, and as Wikia and 6WW also run mediawiki, I think it is likely there is an automated tool that could help us. I couldn't find anything by searching the http// for transwiki or migrate, so I've advanced to asking for help http// here. Hopefully we will get some useful reply. UserPiotrus 2228, August 29, 2011 (UTC) Hi. Wikia has a lot of experience with this sort of migration and it can all be automated, so you don't need to copy and paste any content as that would lose the important page histories. I'm going to email Piotrus to get some more details and see how we can do this. UserAngela 1058, August 30, 2011 (UTC) ==Merged complete== Now we need to clean thing up. I'll work on category synching in the near future. UserPiotrus 1612, November 5, 2011 (UTC) Wow, way to keep SWW alive, Piotrus! I haven't checked in as often as I wanted with the wiki, since most of the canon material seemed stable. UserMshieh 1151, December 20, 2011 (UTC) (old SixthWorldWiki admin) ===Interwiki links=== Another issue to clean up, as User_talkPiotrus, is how to deal with broken interwiki links. UserPiotrus 1619, November 5, 2011 (UTC) copied from User talkShxLoki I noticed the problem with interwikis yesterday. As I'd like to spend the near future fixing categories, could you try to ask how to fix interwikis at Wikia Help forum you found? I am not very familiar with Wikia so I am not sure how to fix that; and I'd hope they would have a bot that could do the fixes automatically. Hopefully if we ask we will get a reply; or at worst we will know we are on our own. --UserPiotrus Okay, I can do that. --UserShxLoki 1635, November 5, 2011 (UTC) For the record, we have three iwki to fix german, french and polish. See Gangs page for one with all three. The Polish one I justed added yesterday, incorrectly, because it does work at Poland. Unfortunately, I won't have time to help much till Tuesday, I think. UserPiotrus 1647, November 5, 2011 (UTC) The Polish links work, so does Hungarian by the way, because both are hosted under and respectively, seems this is automatically recognized. The link in Gangs was just broken, I fixed it. --UserShxLoki 1803, November 5, 2011 (UTC) I have posted a request for assistance here communityForumShadowrun.wikia interwiki links to external wikis --UserShxLoki 1819, November 5, 2011 (UTC) Seems it was fixed, with interwiki being converted to external links. --UserPiotrus 1641, November 9, 2011 (UTC) Now it also works with normal interwikilinks. Very nice. Almost everything has been reestablished, in fact I believe only Archaos has to change the French links to Wikia and we are set. --UserShxLoki 1002, November 12, 2011 (UTC)
The structure is the taken from the Shadowhelix from a while back. For the Shadowhelix one thing changed in the meantime references, comments and inconsistencies are all placed as subheadings under the heading "Endnotes". This could also be done here. But regardless according to this suggestion the metainformation portion of the article should consist of meta level endnotes, an index of sources for the article topic and a navigational section that points to other articles or external links.
--UserShxLoki (User talkShxLoki) 1012, August 1, 2013 (UTC) == Thoughts == Overall, it's good to use de wiki as an example. I would retitle index to sources or references, I am not sure if Inconsistencies shouldn't be part of Comments, and if Comments really belong here or on talk, but I have no strong geelings. Is it an example only for objects? We could use a good example for a character article, to be added from the how to Shadowrun NPCs page. UserPiotrus (User talkPiotrus) 1640, August 1, 2013 (UTC) Index vs Sources, References First, there is "references" but it is reserved for notes using the ref tag (direct references to a source used for a particular part of the article). The reason for the separation and the name "index" is that both "sources" and "references" implies to that these were used in the creation of the article. Most of the time that is not (yet) the case. Usually only a subset of all available sources was used and sometimes not all sources should be used. So the index instead is exactly that an index to all occurrences of the topic in Shadowrun sources. The relevant material at one glance. Everything is listed regardless of whether already used in the article or not. It is also easier to parse than the references of an article. Especially once there are a lot of ref notes, where the same sources could be quoted multiple times with different entries. (In the Shadowhelix this article is a good illustration of the problem deJakutien.) As a nice side effect the index can used to built a source index Here is a humble beginning for the Almanac SourceSixth World Almanac/Index. The German Shadowhelix has much more information in the index format and hence its index for the Almanac is more comprehensive deQuelle, en Sixth World Almanac/Wiki-Index/Wiki-Index. Another nice side effect. Having the same Index format makes it easier to copy between Shadowhelix and Shadowrun Wikia. The Shadowhelix has a separate entry for English sources and I have already imported a lot of information that way. Inconsistencies and Comments The main content of the article should be a description of the Sixth World. That means any information on the topic relating to the Shadowrun roleplaying game, other Shadowrun media or inspirations, allusions etc. has to go somewhere else. Since it is interesting information I wouldn't put it on a talk page (where I believe it is less likely to be seen), but under "comments". Inconsistencies could be subsumed under comments but it has a specific focus similar to the index. With the index I know to expect an overview of all relevant sources. With inconsistencies I know I get all the information of continuity problems between different sources. They would be more difficult to find, if they are mixed with other types of comments. Actually, the Shadowhelix has another seldomly used heading for explanations of why certain decisions in the presentation of the article were made. This is not only for the reader, but also a way to communicate information to other editors. How without this knowledge might make changes they would be better discussed first. Article templates The object is only an example here. As my focus was on the metainformation section, this is meant as the general format for that portion of the article, at least for all Sixth World topics. But the Shadowhelix does have a collection of templates for different article types deShadowhelixSchablonen. We could certainly do the same here. --UserShxLoki (User talkShxLoki) 2035, August 1, 2013 (UTC)