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== Naming Conventions ==

What policy should we use for naming conventions?  There's two big ones

=== Page Names ===

*'''Pluralization'''  Should a page be called "Spirit" or "Spirits"?  "Great Dragon" or "Great Dragons"?
*'''Capitalization'''  Should a page be called "Denver Data Haven" or "Denver data haven"?  "Geopolitical World" or "Geopolitical world"?

=== Section Headings ===

*'''Capitalization'''  "External Links" or "External links"?  "See Also" or "See also"?

== General Discussion ==

Wikipedia usually doesn't pluralize, and usually doesn't capitalize.   However, it's not entirely consistent.  I prefer all caps, as you would capitalize a book name, and have been keeping pages consistent with this viewpoint.  I've also been enforcing pluralization as always plural but don't really have an opinion on that.  --UserMshieh 1242, 28 Sep 2004 (Eastern Daylight Time)

== Fourth World Discussion ==

It's been established that a handlful of the major characters in Shadowrun exist within the Earthdawn history and that the two games can be viewed to be the same universe at different times. While most information from Earthdawn would not be relevant to this wiki, clearly some would be. Obviously, such information cannot be considered canon, but neither is it completely unofficial, either. This suggests some style questions

* Should such information be recorded in this wiki?
* If so, how should it be mentioned?
* How would sources be listed?

--UserWordman 1133, 16 May 2005 (EDT)

== Sourcebook Information? ==

How about articles on the various Source/Rule/Adventure books?  I'm not talking about reviews or divulging all their info, but simply listing information like Publishication date, edition, type, and what information is in the book. UserRavenhull 1604, 25 Feb 2006 (EST)

Personally, I don't think this is within the scope of the Sixth World Wiki. If you do decide to go with this, I would suggest a single page with all the books, not a page for each individual book. I don't think such details as publication date are relevant to the SWW; the in-game year is what's relevant here.

UserAdamJury 2015, 25 Feb 2006 (EST)

I'm in favor of eventually having a page for each book.  It would give me something to link to for the references page.  For example, Secrets of Power Trilogy and Sam Verner.  UserMshieh 1504, 14 June 2006 (EDT)

==Country Summaries==

First off, Hello everyone!  Great work you've done here so far, I hope I can help.  As I jumped about I noticed that the summary table to the right on each country/city/state etc. is inconsitent.  It appears that there was an older variety as exemplified by the United Canadian and American States but many newer entries are using a different layout as seen in Pueblo Corporate Council.  Personally I like the Pueblo format better but I was curious what the standard was ''supposed'' to be. --UserDraco 2221, 2 August 2006 (EDT)
Hiya!  I think I put together the old template when I imported wordman's guide to the sixth world.  Someone put together the "new" layout, might have been Jon Szeto, and it's been catching on.  However, no one's sat down and updated all of the old pages, so there's a lack of consistency.  I tried to handle editing of this sort for a while, but have been slacking.  UserMshieh 1936, 11 August 2006 (EDT)
Well, it seems to me like the biggest problem we have right now is that the sourcebooks don't all come with the same information.  This means that for the sourcebooks the template is based off of the countries look really good.  For countries that didn't get the same level of detail or were just in a different sourcebook that used a different format you end up with half the wiki page dedicated to "Unknown".--UserDraco
Okay, I may have answered my own question.  By using some of Mediawiki's more dynamic language structures we can build a .  For instance, something like this
 {{ {{{test}}} {{{test}}} }}''.
Of course this uses the ParserFunctions extension so we'd have to have that installed.  Any thoughts?  I'll try to mock up an example template if no one has any objections in the next few days. --UserDraco
For various reasons that are all very silly and I'd sooner not explain, the chances of getting ParserFunctions installed in the near future is slim, but it does sound like a good idea and I see no reason not to do it once we can pull the technical aspects of the SWW back up to snuff. --UserAdamJury

==Metahuman Nations/Communities==

Would there be any interest in highlighting metahuman nations and communities? You have that a little bit with the links from the Elf page to the two major Elf nations. But there doesn't seem to be much connecting the Trolls to the Black Forest Troll Kingdom, Orks to the Ork Underground, Dwarves to the Grand Duchy of Westrhine-Luxembourg, etc. I think it would be a handy resource. UserBolthy 1814, 22 December 2006 (EST)

Those sound like useful links to make.  Sixth World Wiki is user-driven, so work on whatever interests you most.  --UserMshieh 1710, 12 January 2007 (EST)


Please note that all references to www.shadowrunrpg.com are obsolete due to FanPro. I suggest to delete these links when encountered.
Ditto for links referring to Shadowrun Duels. --UserOboreruhito 2214, 30 July 2009 (EDT)

Any ShadowrunRPG.com links can be corrected by replacing the domain with Shadowrun4.com --UserAdamJury 2359, 29 October 2007 (EDT)
Done--UserElve 2028, 21 February 2008 (EST)


Is it the policy to pull from earlier editions if there isn't a newer information source? UserIXTenebrae 0023, 24 September 2008 (EDT)

Editions really aren't relevant to the SWW; it's all about the timeline. If a 2070-era product hasn't mentioned a certain location or followup to an event, then  whatever the most recent book that covers that situation should be used.

==Outdated Legal Disclaimer==

I mentioned this on the http//wiki.dumpshock.com/index.php/TalkMain_Page's Talk Page, but for extra visibility, I'm going to bring it up here too. Could someone with edit rights on the main page update the legal disclaimer at the bottom to reflect the current ownership situation? WizKids exists as a brandname only and no longer has any association with the Shadowrun Franchise. CGL updated their website a few months back with a new version of the disclaimer. The current disclaimer, per http//www.shadowrun4.com/legal.shtml http//www.shadowrun4.com/legal.shtml, should read

The Topps Company, Inc. has sole ownership of the names, logo, artwork, marks, photographs, sounds, audio, video and/or any proprietary material used in connection with the game Shadowrun. The Topps Company, Inc. has granted permission to the Sixth World Wiki to use such names, logos, artwork, marks and/or any proprietary materials for promotional and informational purposes on its website but does not endorse, and is not affiliated with the Sixth World Wiki in any official capacity whatsoever.

Thanks in advance. 
-- UserRunnerPaul 1653, 28 June 2010 (UTC)
==Republic of China or Republic of Taiwan?==

While I think it would be an empty gesture to add anything to this, knowing it'll probably be covered by ''Shadows of Asia'', but would Taiwan still be officially known as the Republic of China and would the Kuomintang Nationalist Party, the Pan-Blue Coalition or any of it's successors still be in charge. There's a significant independence movement in favor of forgetting about reunification with China. With the disintegration of China in SR, would the KMT, Chiang Kai'shek's posse, still be hanging around?--UserYoungFreud 2343, 28 Sep 2004 (Eastern Daylight Time)

It's all speculation, but I'm not convinced you can do all that much with Taiwan with any degree of accuracy.  Taiwan's not exactly stable in 2004.  There's a half dozen movements in Taiwan, and have been for years.  I believe the one you mention is sort of an older view.  Reunification of China in this case means that China and Taiwan becomes one country under the KMT party.  i.e., China government just curls up into a ball and disappers.  Right now (2004), it's hard to figure out anything at all, because the current ruling party just faked an assassination attempt right before the election and then had to rig the election anyway.  Everything I'm hearing from relatives there sounds like most people don't care about anything except for getting rid of the current government, which is giving the pro-China reunification parties more popularity.

Translating this into Shadowrun, I would just stick an AA Computer megacorp in there if there isn't one already to represent today's semiconductor industry base, with facilities on the mainland.  Money is power in Chinese/Taiwanese government, so they effectively have absolute say in what goes on over in Taiwan, given enough money to throw at the politicians.  You can see similar happenings on the mainland today.  There was a recent issue of National Geographic where local big businesses disregard environmental law and the officials look the other way, because the business is bringing money, prestige, money, regional identity, and money to the province.  Taiwan is more advanced technologically than China, so environmental issues aren't as big, but doing business is pretty similar.  Honestly, I'm rather worried about how Shadows of Asia is going to turn out, primarily whether it's going to include much of the last decade accurately.  --UserMshieh 0425, 29 Sep 2004 (Eastern Daylight Time)

I rewrote most of the entry. I updated it to to the template and format used for the other Chinese states. I included demographic information from Shadows of Asia.

That Taiwan formally declared independence before 2018 is speculation, but is necessary for the source material to be consistent. Currently, Taiwan is officially the Republic of China. Obviously, they must have relinquished the name, for the People's Republic of China to become the Republic of China in 2018. I deleted the flag, because that's the flag of the Republic of China. An independent Taiwan would probably not use it.

The Nationalist War text is from Shadows of Asia.

Taipei and Kaohsiung are listed as notable locations, because they're cities on the map.

That the Taiwanese population align themselves into mainlanders and Taiwanese reflects a stylized simplified view of current politics, but Shadowrun's geography seems to prefer that. The divide probably carry over into the Sixth World, if the Nationalist are still around in the 2040s and still desire reunification, though I have no idea how that works out if there is a mainland Republic of China that claims to be the one from 1912. --UserGlorian

Blah, I need to get my hands on Shadows of Asia and all the other supplements I've been meaning to grab.  Last one I have is Rigger 3 and I want to make sure Taiwan looks right hehe.  Keep in mind that these older articles predate Shadows of Asia.  Rewrite looks good from here, and I have no idea what the Republic of China is doing only on the mainland.  --UserMshieh 1955, 26 June 2006 (EDT)

Unfortunately, that's all there is in all of Shadowrun about Taiwan. It's mentioned in the China article, that basically the PRC splintered apart in 2018, the Communists got kicked out and businessmen called the New Progress Party took over. The part centered around Beijing renamed itself the Republic of China. I can only imagine the apoplexy of the pan-blue parties in the Shadowrun world at some upstarts restoring the Republic. --UserGlorian 2027, 26 June 2006 (EDT)

That almost sounds like there are two unrelated Republics of China.  --UserMshieh 2101, 26 June 2006 (EDT)

One more thing. I would have rather used a picture with Taiwan, Taipei, and Kaohsiung labeled, but uploading is disabled. --UserGlorian 2027, 26 June 2006 (EDT)
Yeah, I've been unable to contact Adam Jury since I started working on this project again.  There are some tricks that can be done to label existing pictures though, we can always do that as a worst case scenario.  --UserMshieh 2101, 26 June 2006 (EDT)